I am not sure how much thought about risk / reward goes into the start of a civil war. I see it more as an emotional response by people who feel excluded by the political process. Unfortunately the UK and Europe have chosen to address these stresses through repression, which will cause social pressure to build to higher levels where the inevitable explosion will be more violent.
Democracy requires an educated population whose sense of national allegiance outweighs one’s tribal loyalties. Britain’s immigrant population has minimal education, minimal national allegiance, strong tribal ties and are accustomed to a culture of corruption. If this population is allowed to grow a dictatorship is inevitable, the alternative is anarchy & a failed state.
We mentioned both rational and irrational factors. Revolutions are generally fought by working class especially those who deserved to be middle or upper class but only did not become so due to unfair reasons.
Great article…you may also wish to read works on this topic by David Betz, Professor of War in the Modern World at King's College London, and specialist in the study of insurgency and counterinsurgency, information warfare, cyberwarfare, and propaganda
In 1984, KGB agent detailed a long term plan for a communist takeover of a country…..not through invasion but through ideological subversion, destabilisation and crises, infiltrating institutions and creating communist group think ….is this it ?
Idk if this is it. Haven't read that specific work. But this work is less ideologically focused and more focused on "Thucidides trap" which is that statistically speaking when you have a dominant power and another power who is rising and threatens the dominant powers position, most of the time you have conflict.
I think there is a risk of this occuring in the UK with ethnic shifts especially given how huge the differences are culturally (such as non westerners being more likely to support dictatorships.)
It's plausible that this will lead to irrenconcilable differences between the two.
Agreed. The growing divisions are there for all to see, in communities, in towns and cities, the talk in pubs and bars, the voting shifts, football fans….i struggle to think of a country when such policies have succeeded…..what are your thoughts on a timeframe and how would a war play out…cold / soft/ sporadic breakouts of disorder/ cities and countryside/ major conflict
I will explain in more detail later on in part 2 but I think in winter we could atleast see MASSIVE RIOTS if not a civil war. The reason for this is not just ethnic divisions but jail shortages and gas shortages too which I think is going to be a huge problem.
I do think there can be a civil war avoided IF THE RIGHT STEPS ARE TAKEN, but only if these occur.
Imo this means
1)Rationing gas in the winter so poor can afford heating.
2)Death penalty to stop jail shortages leading to a huge crime spike.
3)Stopping mass immigration.
I don't think necessarily all need to occur to stop a civil war but I do think atleast mass rioting will happen in the winter.
Thanks for the reply…not sure they’ll stop the mass immigration as they vote labour and cheap labour benefits the wealthier …the death penalty won’t be repealed…the gas rationing may lead to more protests from the liberal elites …we have one of the most liberal parts of society on the planet including the people in power and they’re more inclined to suppress than prevent as they’re totally disassociated from the impacts of mass immigration and poverty….which allows for their ‘luxury beliefs’ and morals
I think reform UK will definitely be against mass immigration though and if things get bad enough Labour will be more anti mass immugration. They're starting to be less against mass immigration a bit but nowhere near enough to stop Thucides trap imo.
Thanks though we’re 4 years away from an election and you only have to go into any city centre at weekend to see the antagonism…history tells us to look out for the signs, and take the actions you need to take
What you are talking about is a race war, not a civil war - which is made clear in the text but not in the headline.
I don't think this is going to happen. Most people want order, not more chaos.
The numbers about migration are wrong. Its over 18 million since 1997, for example.
Law and order has broken down, the state is rotten, its policies insane - and things will continue to rapidly decline outwith a radical national restoration- which is what I think will happen as the either/or becomes undeniable. As it is now.
It was obvious it was literally written "In 2023, net migration reached 685,000." While doing massive amounts of the article on MASS IMMIGRATION. 685k over 33 years isn't mass immigration???
If you look at the statistic we put out, alongside the article being about MASS immigration and the other statistic about white britons being a minority within 2065???
Ok but I have nearly 1k subs and I am #23 rising in finance also my specialty in energy economics can compliment your focus on politics by talking about the energy markets. I think the energy markets will be a huge problem for the UK in the winter.
Do you atleast want to be tagged for part 2 where I take a mathematical approach talking about gas shortages before making up your mind?
I didn't even say whether Tommy Robinson was good or bad??? I'm just referring to both sides perspectives to show a civil war is likely.
The idea is simple, you have two sides that strongly disagree on things so much that they would rather fight each other over power than split it and then you have the situation causing a shift in power dynamics causing the civil war, that's all there is to it.
If you read the article clearly you realise that what I am saying is that White britons becoming a minority may risk a civil war. Muslims are just one example of a group which leads to a culture clash and were used as an example because they are the group which have the biggest culture clssh alongside blacks.
What utter claptrap. I hardly know where to begin in critiquing this post but here goes: You say 43% of Muslims support a form of Sahria Law “which could mean laws such as those in the Middle East coming into the UK including enforced curfews, enforced niqabs etc. “ Yet you point out that Muslims make up only 6.5% of the UK population - so less than 3% of the population support some form of Sharia law and yet we could get it? Utterly ridiculous. You more likely to get a good curry in Birmingham than a religious lecture. As for Tommy Robinson - or his real name Stephen Lennon - he’s a petty criminal and fascist. His criminal record includes convictions for violence, financial, and immigration frauds, cocaine possession with intent to supply and public order offences. He went to jail most recently for contempt of court after repeating a series of lies about a 15 year old immigrant from Huddersfield- he was never held in solitary confinement. His 18 month sentence was reduced after he admitted the lies and pledged not to repeat them. If he’s the great white hope I’ll go back to sipping my tea. It appears much of your information, such as it is, is scraped from X and other notoriously unreliable sources. While the UK has its problems, like most other mature western democracies, especially with how to deal with immigration I’m old enough to have seen London burn in actual race riots in the 80s and actually took part in the poll tax riots. We are not a country at risk of having a race/civil war, even our riots are pretty tame affairs to be honest (except the Irish ones they do have a habit and experience of really going off - probably because we don’t have a any guns and most people want to get home for a nice cup of tea. As I said at the beginning utter claptrap. I can’t wait for your next insightful episode.
1)I meant a civil war linked to race and not just race but also culture.
2)The immigration figures weren't from 1997 that I was referring to was refrrring to yearly- should have made that more clear.
3)I think eventually you may hit a point where people think fighting is the less riskier option (without certain events happening) leading to war.
I am not sure how much thought about risk / reward goes into the start of a civil war. I see it more as an emotional response by people who feel excluded by the political process. Unfortunately the UK and Europe have chosen to address these stresses through repression, which will cause social pressure to build to higher levels where the inevitable explosion will be more violent.
Democracy requires an educated population whose sense of national allegiance outweighs one’s tribal loyalties. Britain’s immigrant population has minimal education, minimal national allegiance, strong tribal ties and are accustomed to a culture of corruption. If this population is allowed to grow a dictatorship is inevitable, the alternative is anarchy & a failed state.
We mentioned both rational and irrational factors. Revolutions are generally fought by working class especially those who deserved to be middle or upper class but only did not become so due to unfair reasons.
Great article…you may also wish to read works on this topic by David Betz, Professor of War in the Modern World at King's College London, and specialist in the study of insurgency and counterinsurgency, information warfare, cyberwarfare, and propaganda
In 1984, KGB agent detailed a long term plan for a communist takeover of a country…..not through invasion but through ideological subversion, destabilisation and crises, infiltrating institutions and creating communist group think ….is this it ?
Idk if this is it. Haven't read that specific work. But this work is less ideologically focused and more focused on "Thucidides trap" which is that statistically speaking when you have a dominant power and another power who is rising and threatens the dominant powers position, most of the time you have conflict.
I think there is a risk of this occuring in the UK with ethnic shifts especially given how huge the differences are culturally (such as non westerners being more likely to support dictatorships.)
It's plausible that this will lead to irrenconcilable differences between the two.
Agreed. The growing divisions are there for all to see, in communities, in towns and cities, the talk in pubs and bars, the voting shifts, football fans….i struggle to think of a country when such policies have succeeded…..what are your thoughts on a timeframe and how would a war play out…cold / soft/ sporadic breakouts of disorder/ cities and countryside/ major conflict
I think it will be split between mostly native brits and non western immigrants.
Gas price spike can be the catalyst. Another one is finding out more about the Axel Rudacabana situation or more about grooming gangs.
I think basically we see part 2 of the whole Axel Rudacabana situation.
I will explain in more detail later on in part 2 but I think in winter we could atleast see MASSIVE RIOTS if not a civil war. The reason for this is not just ethnic divisions but jail shortages and gas shortages too which I think is going to be a huge problem.
I do think there can be a civil war avoided IF THE RIGHT STEPS ARE TAKEN, but only if these occur.
Imo this means
1)Rationing gas in the winter so poor can afford heating.
2)Death penalty to stop jail shortages leading to a huge crime spike.
3)Stopping mass immigration.
I don't think necessarily all need to occur to stop a civil war but I do think atleast mass rioting will happen in the winter.
Thanks for the reply…not sure they’ll stop the mass immigration as they vote labour and cheap labour benefits the wealthier …the death penalty won’t be repealed…the gas rationing may lead to more protests from the liberal elites …we have one of the most liberal parts of society on the planet including the people in power and they’re more inclined to suppress than prevent as they’re totally disassociated from the impacts of mass immigration and poverty….which allows for their ‘luxury beliefs’ and morals
Indeed. Spot on there Baz. We're on a very slippery slope and probably past the point of no return.
I think reform UK will definitely be against mass immigration though and if things get bad enough Labour will be more anti mass immugration. They're starting to be less against mass immigration a bit but nowhere near enough to stop Thucides trap imo.
Thanks though we’re 4 years away from an election and you only have to go into any city centre at weekend to see the antagonism…history tells us to look out for the signs, and take the actions you need to take
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What you are talking about is a race war, not a civil war - which is made clear in the text but not in the headline.
I don't think this is going to happen. Most people want order, not more chaos.
The numbers about migration are wrong. Its over 18 million since 1997, for example.
Law and order has broken down, the state is rotten, its policies insane - and things will continue to rapidly decline outwith a radical national restoration- which is what I think will happen as the either/or becomes undeniable. As it is now.
Thanks, Frank, for your honest feedback. Always appreciated and thank you for bringing those numbers to my attention. I'll get that amended!
The numbers are presented to mimimise impact on the public imagination.
ONS data shows around 17.6 million 1997-2024, but they don’t make it obvious.
Thank you again for the information @Frank Wright and for letting us know!
Why would we try to minimise it while literslly writing an article ABOUT MASS IMMIGRATION???
The Office of National Statistics tries to minimise impact, not you.
Ah ok, never mind. That makes sense.
It was obvious it was literally written "In 2023, net migration reached 685,000." While doing massive amounts of the article on MASS IMMIGRATION. 685k over 33 years isn't mass immigration???
If you look at the statistic we put out, alongside the article being about MASS immigration and the other statistic about white britons being a minority within 2065???
How was it misleading???
I agree that most people want order not chaos but I think that the only way to have order is through risking more chaos.
Wanna collab on a post later?
Am sorry m8 I can’t I have too much on
Ok but I have nearly 1k subs and I am #23 rising in finance also my specialty in energy economics can compliment your focus on politics by talking about the energy markets. I think the energy markets will be a huge problem for the UK in the winter.
Do you atleast want to be tagged for part 2 where I take a mathematical approach talking about gas shortages before making up your mind?
I didn't even say whether Tommy Robinson was good or bad??? I'm just referring to both sides perspectives to show a civil war is likely.
The idea is simple, you have two sides that strongly disagree on things so much that they would rather fight each other over power than split it and then you have the situation causing a shift in power dynamics causing the civil war, that's all there is to it.
If you read the article clearly you realise that what I am saying is that White britons becoming a minority may risk a civil war. Muslims are just one example of a group which leads to a culture clash and were used as an example because they are the group which have the biggest culture clssh alongside blacks.
What utter claptrap. I hardly know where to begin in critiquing this post but here goes: You say 43% of Muslims support a form of Sahria Law “which could mean laws such as those in the Middle East coming into the UK including enforced curfews, enforced niqabs etc. “ Yet you point out that Muslims make up only 6.5% of the UK population - so less than 3% of the population support some form of Sharia law and yet we could get it? Utterly ridiculous. You more likely to get a good curry in Birmingham than a religious lecture. As for Tommy Robinson - or his real name Stephen Lennon - he’s a petty criminal and fascist. His criminal record includes convictions for violence, financial, and immigration frauds, cocaine possession with intent to supply and public order offences. He went to jail most recently for contempt of court after repeating a series of lies about a 15 year old immigrant from Huddersfield- he was never held in solitary confinement. His 18 month sentence was reduced after he admitted the lies and pledged not to repeat them. If he’s the great white hope I’ll go back to sipping my tea. It appears much of your information, such as it is, is scraped from X and other notoriously unreliable sources. While the UK has its problems, like most other mature western democracies, especially with how to deal with immigration I’m old enough to have seen London burn in actual race riots in the 80s and actually took part in the poll tax riots. We are not a country at risk of having a race/civil war, even our riots are pretty tame affairs to be honest (except the Irish ones they do have a habit and experience of really going off - probably because we don’t have a any guns and most people want to get home for a nice cup of tea. As I said at the beginning utter claptrap. I can’t wait for your next insightful episode.
I put a long response in a not clarifying my response.
Hi Andrew
Are you unconcerned about islam in general or are you just scoffing at the idea of civil war?